Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose…One Of The Game’s Best (Even If He Is Unknown Nationally)

New Indians’ pitcher Cal Quantrill said it after Jose Ramirez’ game winning three run homer to put the Tribe back in the post-season. He said if there is such a thing as an underrated top five player in the game, Ramirez is one.

It is difficult to believe Ramirez is still underrated, perhaps it is the slump he suffered through at the beginning of the 2019 season, but we feel some fans, even those who follow the Indians, don’t remember that the switch-hitter has two top three American League MVP finishes (2017 and 2018).

Perhaps it is the presence of Francisco Lindor, who has become the face of the franchise, but even nationally, you don’t hear enough about Ramirez being one of the best players in the sport.

There is no doubt that he is though. Still, since he became a regular midway through the 2016 season, only Mike Trout, recognized by everyone as the best player in the sport, has more top three finishes in the most valuable player voting than the Tribe third baseman.

The other players who have two such placements are household names nationally: Jose Altuve, Mookie Betts, and Christian Yelich.

Perhaps part of it was he was never regarded as a great prospect. Heck, he didn’t even appear on the Tribe’s Top 10 Prospect list until 2014, after he made his big league debut.

Cleveland got their first glimpse of Ramirez in the drive for a wild card spot in 2013, when the organization promoted him, primarily as a pinch runner after he hit .272 (674 OPS) with 38 stolen bases at Akron, playing mostly second base.

His keystone combination partner in ’12 at Lake County was Lindor, and they made for quite a duo up the middle.

Ramirez started the following season in AAA, hitting .302 (801 OPS) in 60 games at Columbus before being called up to play shortstop during the second half of the 2014 season with the big club, batting .262 with 2 HR, 17 RBI and 14 extra base hits in 266 plate appearances.

He started the ’15 season at shortstop (keeping the spot warm for top prospect Lindor), but was hitting just .180 (487 OPS) before being demoted to AAA. Lindor came up a few days later.

Upon getting recalled, he batted .259 with a 775 OPS, mixing in 16 extra base hits in 182 times at the dish. He played all over the diamond when he came back, playing some third base and leftfield. At that point, Jason Kipnis was fully ensconced at second base for the Tribe.

The switch-hitter started the following season in the same role, but with Juan Uribe not hitting at the hot corner, Ramirez started getting regular playing time there and started to hit with even more power, batting .312, with 11 homers, 76 ribbies, 46 doubles, and an 825 OPS.

He probably would have won the MVP in 2017 if not for a terrible September (.174 average, 637 OPS) that some attributed to being home run happy. He entered the month with 38 dingers.

Even with the increase in power, Ramirez was still an excellent base runner, stealing 17, 34, and 24 bases in the last three full baseball seasons, and he is an great defensive third baseman too.

There has been speculation he will eventually move back to second base to make room for prospect Nolan Jones, but we believe he’s not moving, his body type now makes him more suited for the corner spot.

He has a engaging personality too. Fox Sports’ Andre Knott calls him the heartbeat of the team, and his comments about “home run pitches” have caught on throughout the fanbase, and so, of course, are the “Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose” chants that resonate at Progressive Field when he comes up with a big hit.

People around the game know how good Ramirez is. He’s one of the 10-15 best players in the game, a great combination of power and speed, and a very good batting eye. He really doesn’t have a weakness.

As for the lack of national recognition? Who cares! Fans in northeast Ohio know how good Jose Ramirez is. And he could be the AL MVP in 2020.

How Tribe Can Keep Lindor And Still Win

We have maintained for awhile now that the Cleveland Indians should most definitely get a long term contract done with Francisco Lindor, and the money shouldn’t be an object.

We understand it will take a major financial commitment to keep the All Star shortstop, with the Tribe having to pay him over $30 million per year.

One of the arguments we hear against this is teams can’t devote a large percentage of their payroll to one player and remain competitive, particularly if they are not a large market franchise.

We feel there are exceptions to every “rule”, and Lindor should be that exception.

Besides, it can done if your front office is smart, and you continue to develop your farm system.

Two contracts are always brought up in this regard.

The first is Joey Votto’s 10-year, $225 million deal with the Reds, signed in 2013. Votto was entering his 29-year-old season that year, and has given Cincinnati five very good to excellent years to this point, although at 35, he is showing signs of age this year.

Cincinnati hasn’t been over .500 since ’13, but that is hardly Votto’s fault.

You could make a very good and valid point, that the problem was the organization having a $50 million commitment to 32-year-old Brandon Phillips, and giving $56 million to Homer Bailey, who was injured and terrible over the next five seasons.

Those are mistakes you cannot mistake if you want to win.

Their farm system has ranked between 11th and 14th (MinorLeagueBall.com ranking) since the contract was signed, and the only young position player making an impact was catcher Devon Mesoraco. All the other regulars were 26-32.

Their top prospect was Billy Hamilton, who flamed out, but by 2016, they added Eugenio Suarez (from the Tigers in a trade) and Tucker Barnhart. And they didn’t add a solid pitching prospect until they added Luis Castillo in a deal with the Marlins in 2017.

Another example pointed out is look at the Angels with Mike Trout, who has unfortunately made the post-season once in his eight years with Los Angeles.

Of course, the Angels have the Albert Pujols albatross contract, but they’ve made some questionable big money signings too.

They paid Ricky Nolasco $12 million for the two seasons, and in 2018, gave Zack Cozart, who had one good season in his career, a three year, $38 million deal.

If you are going to pay a superstar big money, you can’t pay mediocre players substantial bucks, or it does hamstring your franchise.

The Angels’ farm system is on the rise, thanks to Jo Adell, but they ranked between 28th and 30th from 2015 to 2017, before moving up to 20th last season.

As for the Indians, the farm system has ranked 21st in 2015, then 13th in ’16, 10th in ’17, and 15th last season. By most accounts, following the deadline deal which brought Logan Allen, along with the development of players in the low minors, Cleveland has a top ten system.

This is important because it keeps bringing low cost talent on to the big league roster. And if those players can make a solid contribution, like Aaron Civale and Oscar Mercado, it allows you to keep a high priced player like Lindor.

As for not getting involved with bad contracts, Jason Kipnis’ deal is over after this season (Cleveland will not pick up the option), and Corey Kluber’s and Carlos Santana’s end after 2021.

The only “star” player who will be eligible for arbitration by then is Mike Clevinger.

This gives the Indians plenty of payroll flexibility providing they don’t go out and overspend on a young player or potential free agent. History says they will not do that, they have proven to be very smart is this regard.

But you can’t ignore player development and this includes trading solid prospects for borderline players in a pennant race.

The blueprint is there to keep Lindor and still be a competitive franchise while paying him big money. It’s not impossible, you just have to be very prudent.

Sign Lindor This Winter? Don’t Hold Your Breath

We said this many times throughout this past baseball season, perhaps the best thing about the Cleveland Indians is that their two best players are 25 and under in Jose Ramirez (25) and Francisco Lindor, who just turned 24 a couple of weeks ago.

Lindor, who has two straight top ten finishes in the American League MVP voting at his young age, is under the Tribe’s control through the 2021 season, giving him four more full seasons with the Indians.

The Cleveland front office would undoubtedly like to sign their shortstop to a long term deal to keep him with his home ballpark being Progressive Field for the foreseeable future, but Lindor seems to understand his value gets higher every season, particularly if he keeps performing like he has.

At his age, he is getting nothing but better, and even with a slump last year in May and June, the switch-hitting Lindor still had a career high 842 OPS, mostly due to a career high .505 slugging percentage.

He had 81 extra base hits, made his second All Star team, and won his first Silver Slugger Award, in addition to being a finalist for the Gold Glove at short.

We are sure Lindor won’t sign this off-season either as he will likely wait until Bryce Harper’s free agency is resolved next off-season.

It has been said Harper could become the sports’ first $400 million player. If he gets that amount, you’d have to think Lindor will get close to that amount, if not exceed it.

Granted when Harper finished his third big league season, he was just 21 years old, two years younger than Lindor was when last season ended.

In those first three seasons, the highest finish in the MVP voting for Harper was 30th in his rookie season. He won the award the following season, his fourth year, but hasn’t been in the top ten since.

Harper and Mike Trout might be the faces of baseball, but Lindor’s definitely on a level right below those two. His personality and the obvious joy he plays with are things MLB should market, and will as he continues to get better as a player.

We made the point last off-season that if Lindor plays 10 years in an Indians’ uniform, he will be the greatest position player in franchise history. So, the stakes to keep him with the Tribe long term are very high.

In our lifetime, we haven’t had that player like George Brett, Derek Jeter, Tony Gwynn for this franchise. A truly great player who plays their entire career in Cleveland.

Remember that when Jim Thome goes into the Hall of Fame, perhaps next summer, he will be the first player to spend the majority of his career with the Indians to go into the Hall since Lou Boudreau. He was inducted in 1971!

Despite all the great players who were here in the 90’s: Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez, Kenny Lofton, Omar Vizquel, Thome, none of them can claim to have never worn another uniform.

We understand that’s not the way the sport is now, but wouldn’t it be nice if Frankie Lindor was that guy for our team.

We are sure the Dolan family, Chris Antonetti, and GM Mike Chernoff would like it to happen too. Lindor is that kind of player.

AL MVP Voters Got it Right

The two most discussed issues so far in baseball’s off-season have been the dismantling of the Miami Marlins roster after just one year in their new ballpark, and who should be the American League MVP.

The old school thought was triple crown winner Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers, while the Sabermetric viewpoint was that the Angels’ Mike Trout should receive the award.

As a matter of full disclosure, we read all of Bill James’ Baseball Abstracts when they came out, and learned a different way of thinking about the game from James.

In the mid 80’s, when his book first game out, he was the first guy talking about the importance of slugging percentage and on-base percentage, and having a player who gets on base in the leadoff spot is much better than having someone with speed that can’t get on base.

We use OPS (on base percentage plus slugging percentage) a lot in talking about baseball.

James changed the way fans thought about the game.

But Miguel Cabrera still deserved the AL MVP.

He led the league in batting average, a statistic devalued by the stat people, but it wasn’t like the Tiger third baseman didn’t have a good on base percentage or slugging percentage. He most certainly did.

The stat based people say Cabrera didn’t have a good enough WAR.

WAR is wins over replacement player, and is an interesting number to look at. However, it is a calculated number.

Yes, yes, batting average is too, but it is determined by dividing hits by times at bat. Those numbers come right out of your nightly boxscore.

WAR and its cousin VORP (value over replacement player) are not. Here is the definition of WAR from Fangraphs.com:

Wins Above Replacement (WAR) is an attempt by the sabermetric baseball community to summarize a player’s total contributions to their team in one statistic.

The key word there is “attempt”.

Who knows? You could look at a few different numbers and determine that Jack Hannahan should be the MVP.

Not really, but you get my point. WAR and VORP are nice numbers to look at, but they don’t have the same validity as someone’s slugging percentage.

That isn’t to say they aren’t useful at times, in fact, we used VORP to show how terrible Casey Kotchman was for the Indians this year. He had a negative value, which meant you could call up someone from the minors and they would be better.

But the factors used to calculate the numbers are arbitrary. They were arrived at with a great deal of research and matched up with historically great players so they make sense, but they are still arbitrary.

Mike Trout had a tremendous season, and barring injury will have a tremendous career. That said, Miguel Cabrera was the rightful winner of the MVP.

The other problem is the attitude of the some of the statistic supporters. They act like people in a political debate. They are right, “traditional” baseball people are wrong.

That’s it. There is no room for discussion, and why can’t people see that batting average is overrated.

The stat people rave about guys like Adam Dunn because they hit home runs and walk a lot. However, he also strikes out a unbelieveable amount of times and batted .208.

Think about how White Sox fans feel when Dunn whiffs with a man on third and less than two outs.

Dunn has value, no question about that, but he’s not a great hitter. Even if batting average doesn’t mean much, .208 still isn’t very good.

Some of the information generated by the stat people today are useful. However, the game is still won by whoever scores more runs.

Not by which lineup has a better WAR.

Tribe Doesn’t Need Rebuild.

The 2012 baseball season ended just two weeks ago, and already the Cleveland Indians are worrying us in terms of next year’s season.

Why? Because there are many indications that GM Chris Antonetti is prepared to do another total rebuild. The Indians will point to the success the Oakland A’s had this year in using that tactic, but really, how often does dealing for a bunch of prospect have an impact the very next season?

If it happened all the time, then everyone would do it.

This thought comes from the rumors that the Tribe is taking offers on SS Asdrubal Cabrera, OF Shin-Soo Choo, SP Justin Masterson, and closer Chris Perez.

Sounds again like the front office is giving up on 2013, much the same as they gave up on the 2010 season when they dealt Victor Martinez and Cliff Lee at the trading deadline.

Enough is enough.

While certainly the Indians should look at dealing a couple of those guys, most notably Perez, to try to fill some holes, trading all of them makes long time fans think of the 1970’s and 1980’s when the Indians routinely traded their best players.

That list is as long as your arm.

If Antonetti is going to go down that path, he has to get major league ready players, not guys who won’t be contributors in Cleveland until 2014 or 2015.

Also, Oakland’s rebuild was helped significantly by going out and signing Cuban free agent Yoenis Cespedes to a big contract. In a normal year, by that meaning no Mike Trout, Cespedes would have been the AL Rookie of the Year.

How many people think the Dolans will make a big financial commitment to anyone?

So far this winter, the Indians had a chance to get either Ervin Santana or Dan Haren from the Angels for basically a one-year contract. It would have been a lot of cash, but for one year, why not?

At the end of the season, most people agreed that the Indians had some solid young players, like Cabrera, Michael Brantley, Carlos Santana, and Jason Kipnis. Why not add to those guys and try to win now?

The desire to trade Choo is understandable. He will probably be looking for a four or five-year deal, and since the outfielder is 30 years old, that might be pushing it. A three-year deal would work for the Indians, but his agent Scott Boras is sure to want more.

Masterson has shown to be no better than a #3 starter, too inconsistent to be a staff ace. If you can fill one of your holes at LF or 1B by dealing him, it may be worth it.

And we’ve discussed the organizational depth in the bullpen as a reason for dealing Perez.

But trading all of them and include Cabrera as well seems like a total rebuild.

The Indians would then need a first baseman, shortstop, left fielder, right fielder, designated hitter, and three starting pitchers.

Would you buy tickets to watch that?

Instead, why not get 1B/3B/DH Kevin Youkilis for a two-year deal, sign Joe Blanton as a starting pitcher, and trade one of four rumored to be dealt for more pitching and/or a LF?

That way, you have a chance to win next year without being on the hook for a bunch of crazy contracts.

It’s not as though the Cleveland Indians have a lot of age on the roster. So why not build on the talent already there.